I have two main concerns about the Tea Party movement. First, their violent undertone. I’ve been to many peace protests during the Bush administration and I never saw the level of violent rhetoric that I do at the Tea Party rallies.
My second and largest concern is their willingness to believe things that simply aren’t true. Obama is the Anti-Christ, or a Muslim. Death Panels will kill your grandma, armies of IRS agents are coming for your money and your guns, all these things make it difficult to have a rational discussion about policy. If the Tea Party members were merely a more organized libertarian movement, than absolutely. But I fear that they are a reactionary group that is filled with mis-information and a great deal of anger.
That’s what worries me.
The astonishing thing about the Tea Party is that they are able to be viewed as fiscal conservatives! Historically the singular reason the federal government has taken on debt is to wage war and this has not changed one bit. The TP crowd ignores the fact that 50% of the federal budget is spent paying for past, current and future wars around the planet…and they are wholeheartedly in favor of such nonsense. While the original tea party participants were trying to disrupt global monopolies, today’s followers are unabashed defenders of the ‘new world order’. This doesn’t bode well for our collective future irregardless of which political party one adheres to.
Ham,
I visited a Tea Party meeting and I agree that there was a remarkable amount of energy in the room. It would have been nice to have these people speaking out when the GW Bush administration was racking up record deficits, but better late than never, no?
I can sign on to the stated beliefs of the Tea Partiers:
1) Love of Country
2) Respect for the Constitution
3) Respect for the Founders
4) Defence of freedom and opposition to tyranny.
Any person who subscribes honestly to the above ideals is ok with me, because they therefore should also support the ending of a tyrannical law which criminalises the innocent and makes racketeers of the police. What is this? The expensive, duplicitous, un-American prohibition of cannabis.
Prohibition didn’t work for alcohol, which is both toxic and highly addictive, and it certainly isn’t working for cannabis, which is a non-toxic, benign, and useful plant.
Prohibition is an unconstitutional intrusion into private behavior. It creates a criminal market and non-taxed criminal businesses. It diminishes respect for government and for the police. It disrespects the Founders, most of whom grew it on their farms - the Declaration of Independence was printed on hemp paper! And the cost of enforcing prohibition of cannabis is about $150 million per year just in Washington State. What a waste of money on a suppressing a crop which would produce at least as much in sales taxes if legal. And American farmers are prohibited from growing a crop which now comes into this country from China and Canada. How can one support a federal government law which favors foreign farmers over native sons of the soil?
Now I think trying to influence the federal government, which is effectively owned by corporate and military interests, is a frustrating and costly business. But here in Washington we actually have a people’s democracy, and can make laws for ourselves by Initiative. So I urge all lovers of this great country to exercise their freedom and support I-1068, which removes all penalties, civil and criminal, for adult cultivation, transport, sale, and use of cannabis in Washington. And let’s restore the law to something closer to what the Founders would recognize.
Riley,
You say that you have “been to many peace protests during the Bush administration and I never saw the level of violent rhetoric that I do at the Tea Party rallies.” Which Tea Party rallies have you been to and seen violent rhetoric? If so, did you speak to any organizers about your concerns?
Every crowd, regardless of cause will attract crackpots and it ain’t the average Joe or Josephine that the news reports on, it’s the crackpots. Even so, I’ve been to a couple of local Tea Party events and read news coverage of both local event and those around the nation, yet have seen no evidence that the typical Tea Partier believes that President Obama is the anti-Christ, that he is Muslim nor the other things you say you are concerned with.
I believe Riley, that it is you who has the willingness to believe things that simply aren’t true and it is you who are part of a reactionary group that is filled with mis-information.
Having heard the audio of racial slurs being hurled at Congressman as they go to vote from the Tea Party rally in DC, having read the news about threatening to hang Patty Murray, the talk of armed revelation and “refreshing the tree of liberty with the blood” at these Tea Party rallies, that’s what concerns me.
The local Tea Party, I went to one meeting here and it was what I would expect from people who listen to too much Glenn Beck. Angry rhetoric, picking and choosing the parts of the Constitution they like and calling themselves strict constructionists.
I checked the polls I was mentioning and I was wrong. It is a majority of Republicans that believe that Obama is a Muslim.
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/21796
and 24% believe he is the anti-christ:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20100323/ts_dailybeast/7269_scarynewgoppoll
I think that this group of the GOP is the people we see at the Tea Party rallies, so I plan to attend the next one and conduct a poll so that we can get a better idea of what our LOCAL Tea Party looks like.
But as a whole, I find this group dangerous. I agree, Wally, that crackpots show up everywhere, but I feel that the Tea Parties encourage them.
I don’t mind the tea party figuring itself out. There are so many independents disgruntled with both Ds and Rs, that it will be very interesting to see where the agenda finally lands. In the meantime, the insurgent reform is probably healthy. If Karp is right, both parties will likely join together to crush this nascent movement as the agenda emerges, matures and underscores the two party failings.
Here are a couple things tea baggers could support that would get my interest:
1) Taxation with representation -
Provide that every taxpayer has the option of listing their spending priorities on their tax return. These would be compiled into an advisory budget suggestion. It would not bind congress, but rather provide taxpayers with a basis of comparison to gauge how close Congress is working to the “will of the people”.
2) Corporate Responsibility -
If corps are granted the privileges of individuals, shouldn’t they also carry the responsibilities? In this scenario, the WV coal company or the Anacortes refinery could be tried for murder. If convicted, they might “go to prison” and be ineligible for business for the length of their sentence - or sentenced to death and executed. I’m against the death penalty for people with actual bodies, but hey, if there is no body, what’s wrong with a little corporal punishment? It even sounds right!
3) Campaign finance reform -
We reserve voting for registered voters in the election district. Though I have occasionally enjoyed contributing to campaigns outside my districts, I would happily give it up if campaign contributions were similarly limited. This would go far toward preserving the sanctity of voting.
following up to Riley,
Fortunately most people out there don’t paint local Tea Party members with the actions of these few crackpots whose actions run viral in the media. Unfortunately you seem to only use a broad brush.
Thousands upon thousands of people have peacefully attended local events here over the last year without violence, threats of physical harm, nor without any incident whatsoever. You’d think if that if all those people along the Guide were actually encouraging racism, violence, and were dangerous as you contend, then we’d see some evidence. I regret to inform you that reality doesn’t fit you agenda.
By the way, the poll actually finds that 24% of the Republicans believe President Obama “may be the anti-Christ” rather than “is the anti_Christ” as you stated. Also 13% of the independents and 6% of the Democrats feel that way. It’s not worth arguing semantics though. Suffice to say that if someone acts enough like a duck, then I really don’t care whether they are or only maybe a duck.






















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